{"id":7371,"date":"2012-03-05T18:55:33","date_gmt":"2012-03-06T02:55:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/?p=7371"},"modified":"2012-03-05T18:57:58","modified_gmt":"2012-03-06T02:57:58","slug":"two-there-are-the-church-the-state-and-the-dangers-of-radical-secularism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/2012\/03\/two-there-are-the-church-the-state-and-the-dangers-of-radical-secularism\/","title":{"rendered":"Two There Are: The Church, the State and the Dangers of Radical Secularism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-7372\" title=\"Church_vs_State_01_175px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/03\/Church_vs_State_01_175px.jpg\" alt=\"Church vs State God vs Secularism\" hspace=\"9\" width=\"175\" height=\"237\" \/> by Andrew M. Greenwell, Esq. &#8211;<br \/>\nBoth Church and State have public voices; both sing a song.  The Catholic, both a citizen and a member of Christ&#8217;s faithful, hears both songs and both voices, for he or she knows there are two.  But like St. Thomas More&#8217;s last words as he approached the scaffold and imminent death, the Catholic is &#8220;the King&#8217;s good servant, but God&#8217;s first.&#8221;  One song, one voice in particular, the voice of God, the vox Domini Iesu Christi, holds him in absolute thrall. &#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>Duo sunt<\/em>,&#8221; said the 5th century Pope Gelasius I in a famous letter to Emperor Anastasius, &#8220;<em>quibus principaliter mundus hic regitur.<\/em>&#8221;  &#8220;Two there are by which this world is ruled.&#8221;  Pope Gelasius I merely reformulates what is the teaching of our Lord, and which is part of reality, of what is, in the political world for those who bask in the benefit of Revelation.  &#8220;Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar&#8217;s, and to God the things that are God&#8217;s.&#8221; (Matt. 22:21)  Since Christ came into this world, the Christian knows that there are two public songs, and not just one, in the world.<\/p>\n<p>The Catholic accepts the <em>duo sunt<\/em> as part of social reality.  There is therefore in the Catholic mind, both Church and State, and a natural and necessary separation of Church and State.  But this separation of Church and State does not imply subordination of Church to State.  Quite the contrary, the State and the Church are coordinate powers each with its proper sphere.  <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>But\u00a0 in matters of faith and of morals, the Church is superior.\u00a0 In  telling us about truth and about the good, the State is incompetent.\u00a0 In  Christianity, the State is de-divinized, the Church is de-politicized.\u00a0  The State is not in possession of spiritual power.\u00a0 The Church as  Church is not in possession of political power.\u00a0 These powers are to  work together for the common good.\u00a0 <em>Duo sunt<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Both  Church and State have public voices; both sing a song.\u00a0 The Catholic,  both a citizen and a member of Christ&#8217;s faithful, hears both songs and  both voices, for he or she knows there are two.\u00a0 But like St. Thomas  More&#8217;s last words as he approached the scaffold and imminent death, the  Catholic is &#8220;the King&#8217;s good servant, but God&#8217;s first.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One song, one voice in particular, the voice of God, the <em>vox Domini Iesu Christi<\/em>,  holds him in absolute thrall.\u00a0 He hears the song of his Master, whose  yoke is easy, whose burden is light, and he hears the song of Caesar,  and of the two songs he recognizes the voice of the Lord as the most  lasting, the most beautiful, the most true. (Matt. 11:30)<\/p>\n<p>When  push comes to shove-and there is progressively more shoving and less  pushing as the Western democracies in their re-creation of society in  man&#8217;s own image jettison their Christian capital as if but flotsam or  jetsam-the Catholic will say with St. Peter, &#8220;We must obey God rather  than men.&#8221; (Acts 5:29).\u00a0 The Catholic insists there are two voices, but  also that there is one more beautiful and lasting than the other-for he  hears them both and is able to distinguish them and he knows which is  more beautiful-<em>duo sunt<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Like the singing Jewish captive  by the rivers of Babylon, the Catholic would rather his right hand  wither, and his tongue cleave to the roof of his mouth, than forget the  words to his song, the song of the sounds of heavenly Zion, <em>duo sunt<\/em>. (Cf. Ps. 137 (136):5-6)\u00a0 <em>Duo sunt, duo sunt, duo sunt<\/em> is the <em>leitmotif <\/em>of  his song, a political and religious song which is not monophonic, but  diaphonic. His political song has two voices which, if there is to be  proper order, must try to sing in harmony.<\/p>\n<p>Modernly, the Catholic  is pressed hard between two groups that command center stage, and which  have in their hands either power or violence (and there is but a thin  line between the two).\u00a0 These two groups cry not <em>duo sunt<\/em>, but <em>unus est<\/em>, &#8220;one there is.&#8221;\u00a0 These are the secularists and the Islamists, and they seem to divide the world between them.<\/p>\n<p>For  secularists, the State is all there is; there is no spiritual power.\u00a0  In their zeal for power, the dogmatic secularists cry out like the high  priests did to Pontius Pilate: &#8220;We have no king but Caesar.&#8221; (John  19:15)\u00a0 The modern secular State is the Hobbesian &#8220;mortal God,&#8221; and  there is no immortal God which competes for obeisance, for secularism  subscribes to the Nietzschean view that the immortal God-the God of  Jacob, Isaac, and Joseph-is dead. For them, God is dead.<\/p>\n<p>Since for the modern secular State God is dead and sings no more, it, and it alone, is the final reality: <em>unus est<\/em>.\u00a0 It calls itself liberal, but it is not, since it can only hear one voice: its own, and so it closes itself off in a prison.<\/p>\n<p>The  secularist knows no reality outside of what he makes for himself.\u00a0 Man  is one dimensional, and he answers neither to God nor to any fixed  nature.\u00a0 For the secularist, there is no such thing as an objective  reality, one pre-existing him, one founded on nature or nature&#8217;s God,  one which must be given public voice.\u00a0 But against the voice of the  secularist who exclaims <em>unus est<\/em>, the Church insists in both the reality of the natural law and in the\u00a0truth of the Gospels.\u00a0 Nature and Nature&#8217;s God. <em>Duo sunt.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The  secularist does not like this, and he is a proud spirit who does not  endure to be mocked. As James V. Schall states in his book <em>The Sum Total of Human Happiness<\/em>, there is, in the modern world, a real hatred to those who sing the song of <em>duo sunt<\/em>.\u00a0  There is, he says, &#8220;a real hatred of man as he is pictured in natural  law and in the Gospels.&#8221;\u00a0 Anyone who insists on this picture of man is  likewise hated, is a <em>persona non grata<\/em>.\u00a0 And so it is in his encyclical <em>Centesimus Annus<\/em>, Pope John Paul II adverts to these singers of <em>duo sunt<\/em>,  those &#8220;convinced that they know the truth and firmly adhere to it,&#8221; and  he recognizes that they &#8220;are considered unreliable from a democratic  point of view.&#8221; (No. 46)<\/p>\n<p>In the face of the secularist state, we  are unreliable citizens because we believe in an objective reality,  because we believe in <em>duo sunt<\/em>.\u00a0 Christians are not to be included in the public secularist choir which sings songs only of <em>unus est<\/em>, as it worships not God but only itself.<\/p>\n<p>In  the main, secularists like to think themselves liberal, but they are  intolerantly liberal.\u00a0 Leo Strauss called secularist liberalism a  &#8220;seminary of intolerance.&#8221;\u00a0 They are tolerant of all intolerance but  their own, to which intolerance they are blind.\u00a0 And that intolerance is  aimed at particular ferocity at those who insist on an objective  reality outside of that which we make for ourselves.\u00a0 This includes  those who insist-the way Catholics must do if they are to think like a  Catholic-of the truth of <em>duo sunt<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>To be sure, the  liberals&#8211;being effete in the main&#8211;do not like blood.\u00a0 But though they  wince at drawing blood, they are not shy at wielding power, much less  moral suasion.\u00a0 The problem they confront, as James Schall puts it is  &#8220;how to silence Socrates without the nasty business of killing him, and  how to tame the teachings of Christ without putting Him on the Cross.&#8221;\u00a0  Their schemes to do this are legion, including ridicule, public  banishment, the closing of the public square to them,  and-increasingly-legal burdens and legal constraints.\u00a0 There are ominous  signs of worse things to come.<\/p>\n<p>Why this foreboding?\u00a0 &#8220;The claim  that certain actions are wrong,&#8221; Schall observes, &#8220;is implicitly a  threat to the [modern] state, which is designed to prevent strife and  which is neutral to all values except to intolerance . . . . In this  sense, the theory is already in place that makes Christians enemies of  the state. We simply await its enforcement, either by converting or  coercing Christians to live according to secular norms or by  marginalizing or eliminating those who insist in calling wrong what the  state guarantees as &#8216;right.'&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>What Schall sees coming is secular <em>dhimmitude<\/em>.\u00a0  Unless things change, there will be a time where, like Christ, we will  be &#8220;handed over&#8221; to the secular authorities.\u00a0 So, at least, the  trajectory appears to be going.<\/p>\n<p>HT: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholic.org\/hf\/faith\/story.php?id=44955\" target=\"_blank\">Catholic Online<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>by Andrew M. Greenwell, Esq. &#8211; Both Church and State have public voices; both sing a song. The Catholic, both a citizen and a member of Christ&#8217;s faithful, hears both songs and both voices, for he or she knows there are two. 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