{"id":4802,"date":"2010-08-05T16:52:11","date_gmt":"2010-08-05T20:52:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/?p=4802"},"modified":"2010-08-05T16:52:52","modified_gmt":"2010-08-05T20:52:52","slug":"a-secular-argument-against-gay-marriage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/2010\/08\/a-secular-argument-against-gay-marriage\/","title":{"rendered":"A Secular Argument Against Gay Marriage"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Over at &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.aoiusa.org\/blog\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Observer<\/a>&#8220;, the popular American Orthodox Institute Blog, Fr. Johannes Jacobse has posted some insightful observations in regards to the &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; issue.  He correctly emphasizes that: <em>&#8220;Christianity properly understood makes no distinction between wisdom found outside of the Church from that found within it.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/Mask_01_140px.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-4803\" title=\"Mask_01_140px\" src=\"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/08\/Mask_01_140px.jpg\" border=\"0\/\" alt=\"Secular argument against gay marriage\" hspace=\"9\" width=\"140\" height=\"201\" \/><\/a>8\/5\/2010 &#8211; Fr. Johannes Jacobse &#8211;<\/p>\n<p>From: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/articles2\/SchulmanGayMarriage.php\" target=\"_blank\">Gay Marriage \u2014 and Marriage<\/a> by Sam Shulman.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>To me, what is at stake in this debate is not only the  potential unhappiness of children, grave as that is; it is our ability  to maintain the most basic components of our humanity. I believe, in  fact, that we are at an \u201cAntigone moment.\u201d Some of our fellow citizens  wish to impose a radically new understanding upon laws and institutions  that are both very old and fundamental to our organization as  individuals and as a society. As Antigone said to Creon, we are being  asked to tamper with \u201cunwritten and unfailing laws, not of now, nor of  yesterday; they always live, and no one knows their origin in time.\u201d I  suspect, moreover, that everyone knows this is the case, and that,  paradoxically, this very awareness of just how much is at stake is what  may have induced, in defenders of those same \u201cunwritten and unfailing  laws,\u201d a kind of paralysis.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>By secular Shulman means non-religious, but Christianity properly understood makes no distinction between wisdom found outside of the Church from that found within it. <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The Apostle Paul speaks of \u201cthe wisdom of the world\u201d but there it means a kind of assumption of wisdom where in fact none exists. Reducing all wisdom to within the Church is merely the reverse of the secular paradigm, imposing a categorical distinction where in fact none really exists. From the secular side it is a blindness towards the sacred dimension of existence; from the Christian side it is the belief that sacredness outside the Church is not possible. The distinction (which even believers in the sacramental churches \u2014 Orthodox, Catholic, some Lutherans and Episcopalians, etc. \u2014 have assimilated) is bound to assumptions that just don\u2019t work anymore.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s fitting then, that such wisdom, although not drawn from Christian texts, is thoroughly Christian in insight and character \u2014 how could it be any other way? That it is given to us in narrative is even more appropriate.<\/p>\n<p>HT: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.aoiusa.org\/blog\/2010\/08\/a-secular-argument-against-gay-marriage\/\" target=\"_blank\">AOI<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over at &#8220;The Observer&#8220;, the popular American Orthodox Institute Blog, Fr. Johannes Jacobse has posted some insightful observations in regards to the &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; issue. He correctly emphasizes that: &#8220;Christianity properly understood makes no distinction between wisdom found outside of the Church from that found within it.&#8221; 8\/5\/2010 &#8211; Fr. Johannes Jacobse &#8211; From: Gay &#8230; <a title=\"A Secular Argument Against Gay Marriage\" class=\"read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/2010\/08\/a-secular-argument-against-gay-marriage\/\" aria-label=\"Read more about A Secular Argument Against Gay Marriage\">Read more<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":497,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"generate_page_header":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[68,37,8,5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4802","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-christianity","category-culture-war","category-gay-marriage","category-orthodox-christianity"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4802","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/497"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4802"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4802\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4802"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4802"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4802"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}