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		<title>Comment on Without Justice, What Else is the State But a Great Band of Robbers &#8211; St. Augustine by George Patsourakos</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/05/without-justice-what-else-is-the-state-but-a-great-band-of-robbers-st-augustine/comment-page-1/#comment-112233</link>
		<dc:creator>George Patsourakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 03:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justice must be an integral part of our society, in order to ensure that we are not overcome by a political state that is ruled by a band of robbers. 

Justice and natural law allow the people in our society to enjoy certain rights -- such as life and liberty -- which we would not be able to enjoy in a political state with its pro-tyrrany laws and totalitarian rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice must be an integral part of our society, in order to ensure that we are not overcome by a political state that is ruled by a band of robbers. </p>
<p>Justice and natural law allow the people in our society to enjoy certain rights &#8212; such as life and liberty &#8212; which we would not be able to enjoy in a political state with its pro-tyrrany laws and totalitarian rule.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Test of Fire: Election 2012, Christians Must Vote Their Values by Larry Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/04/test-of-fire-election-2012-christians-must-vote-their-values/comment-page-1/#comment-112231</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 23:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NAILED IT !!</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Necessity of Christian Friendships by The Necessity of Christian Friendships &#124; OrthodoxNet.com Blog &#171; CHRISTIAN PARENT HUB- CHRISTIAN PARENT NEWS AGGREGATOR</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/04/the-necessity-of-christian-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-112229</link>
		<dc:creator>The Necessity of Christian Friendships &#124; OrthodoxNet.com Blog &#171; CHRISTIAN PARENT HUB- CHRISTIAN PARENT NEWS AGGREGATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christian Families News Source- http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/04/the-necessity-of-christian-friendships/ [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Charles Colson: 1931-2012. May His Memory Be Eternal by Robert Mahoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who has worked in the California prison system I can say that Chuck Colson did make a difference in the lives of many inmates. A lot of inmates hide behind Jesus when they are inside, and leave Him when they walk out the doors.  But, there are also those who truly find Jesus and they never let go of Him. 

I always noted to myself the difference that Colson&#039;s ministry made with the inmates from those ministries that were from a more Charismatic/TBN type background. The Colson ministry was less glam and glitz and more real soul searching. Colson&#039;s group wasn&#039;t as popular as the other groups who came in, but the fruit was more apparent in the lives of the inmates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who has worked in the California prison system I can say that Chuck Colson did make a difference in the lives of many inmates. A lot of inmates hide behind Jesus when they are inside, and leave Him when they walk out the doors.  But, there are also those who truly find Jesus and they never let go of Him. </p>
<p>I always noted to myself the difference that Colson&#8217;s ministry made with the inmates from those ministries that were from a more Charismatic/TBN type background. The Colson ministry was less glam and glitz and more real soul searching. Colson&#8217;s group wasn&#8217;t as popular as the other groups who came in, but the fruit was more apparent in the lives of the inmates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Charles Colson: 1931-2012. May His Memory Be Eternal by Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/04/charles-colson-1931-2012-may-his-memory-be-eternal/comment-page-1/#comment-112214</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 05:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’  (Matthew 25:21)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’  (Matthew 25:21)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Remembering Chuck Colson: 1931-2012 by Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 05:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’  (Matthew 25:21)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’  (Matthew 25:21)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama Supports Planned Parenthood and Unrestricted Abortion by Robert Mahoney</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/04/obama-supports-planned-parenthood-and-unrestricted-abortion/comment-page-1/#comment-112192</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 12:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what the saddest part of all of this is, Orthodox and Catholic Christians will continue to support and defend the very same people who do everything in their power to ensure that abortion for any reason remains legal. Heck, many of them now are defending this administration with its war on religious values and birth control. I am beginning to wonder if SVS is more in the business of producing members of the pajama-hideen who blog for Media Matters, Think Progress and believe that George Soros is God&#039;s gift to humanity, than they are in producing clergy.

I remember what finally did it for me was the day I walked up to a local Orthodox Church and the car parked at the very front, where every person who would be entering the Church could see it, the car had this bumper sticker that was big as a billboard that read &quot;Pro-God, Pro-Family &amp; Pro-Choice.&quot;

The rest, as they say, is history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what the saddest part of all of this is, Orthodox and Catholic Christians will continue to support and defend the very same people who do everything in their power to ensure that abortion for any reason remains legal. Heck, many of them now are defending this administration with its war on religious values and birth control. I am beginning to wonder if SVS is more in the business of producing members of the pajama-hideen who blog for Media Matters, Think Progress and believe that George Soros is God&#8217;s gift to humanity, than they are in producing clergy.</p>
<p>I remember what finally did it for me was the day I walked up to a local Orthodox Church and the car parked at the very front, where every person who would be entering the Church could see it, the car had this bumper sticker that was big as a billboard that read &#8220;Pro-God, Pro-Family &amp; Pro-Choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>The rest, as they say, is history.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Does the Catholic Church Teach Concerning Capital Punishment? by What Does the Catholic Church Teach Concerning Capital &#8230; &#124; Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>What Does the Catholic Church Teach Concerning Capital &#8230; &#124; Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 01:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post: What Does the Catholic Church Teach Concerning Capital &#8230;   Posted in Church  Tags: cacophony, capital-punishment, catholic, church, competing-voices, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pity the Poor Working Chump by George Patsourakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Patsourakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 02:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American government needs to drastically reduce -- or even eliminate -- its handouts, such as welfare money, food stamps, etc. to people who do not work.

The fact is that there is no incentive for these people to work, because they can be supported by economic and other benefits from the government. Consequently, they refuse to work.

If the government ended its benefits to these freeloaders, you can be sure that they would get a job to support themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American government needs to drastically reduce &#8212; or even eliminate &#8212; its handouts, such as welfare money, food stamps, etc. to people who do not work.</p>
<p>The fact is that there is no incentive for these people to work, because they can be supported by economic and other benefits from the government. Consequently, they refuse to work.</p>
<p>If the government ended its benefits to these freeloaders, you can be sure that they would get a job to support themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Declaring War on Newborns by Mark Sigfrinius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Sigfrinius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well. I guess just because I didn&#039;t go to medical school and have a degree in some sort of medicine I&#039;m just too stupid to disagree with the After-Birth-Abortion. Apparently my 18 year old grandson who has ADHD and is a juvenile diabetic should have been &quot;snuffed out&quot;  when he was born so he wouldn&#039;t have too many challenges in his life. His parents would have had an easier life without him. He is an amazing kid. He may not do too well in math and will probably never get beyond a fifth grade reading level but he is so funny and smart in other areas he makes everyone laugh and has a very sharp whit that is truly amazing. Will he be a rocket scientist....probably not. Hopefully he will not follow in the footsteps of any medical ethics profession which seem to be completely lost and maybe need to be eliminated because they just &quot;don&#039;t know what to do!&quot; What a bunch of B.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well. I guess just because I didn&#8217;t go to medical school and have a degree in some sort of medicine I&#8217;m just too stupid to disagree with the After-Birth-Abortion. Apparently my 18 year old grandson who has ADHD and is a juvenile diabetic should have been &#8220;snuffed out&#8221;  when he was born so he wouldn&#8217;t have too many challenges in his life. His parents would have had an easier life without him. He is an amazing kid. He may not do too well in math and will probably never get beyond a fifth grade reading level but he is so funny and smart in other areas he makes everyone laugh and has a very sharp whit that is truly amazing. Will he be a rocket scientist&#8230;.probably not. Hopefully he will not follow in the footsteps of any medical ethics profession which seem to be completely lost and maybe need to be eliminated because they just &#8220;don&#8217;t know what to do!&#8221; What a bunch of B.S.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Is Observing Obama as a Marxist Verboten? by Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/why-is-observing-obama-as-a-marxist-verboten/comment-page-1/#comment-112183</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s obvious you didn’t actually bother to read the article! Emoting is not an acceptable method of discussion on this Blog.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why Is Observing Obama as a Marxist Verboten? by Liberal Avenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Avenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You call Obama a Marxist. During his presidency, at what point has he attempted to nationalise the means of production?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You call Obama a Marxist. During his presidency, at what point has he attempted to nationalise the means of production?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up for Religious Freedom &#8211; March 23, 2012 by March for Religious Freedom &#124; Thinking Love, No Twaddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>March for Religious Freedom &#124; Thinking Love, No Twaddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 19:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up for Religious Freedom &#8211; March 23, 2012 by Howard H Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/stand-up-for-religious-freedom-march-23-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-112155</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard H Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh I was going too add &quot; Nazi&#039;s Murdered 6 Million Jews, 1 Million were Children. America has murdered 60 Million Babies.&quot; I didn&#039;t because I thought it too over the top. It needs more moderation? HHD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh I was going too add &#8221; Nazi&#8217;s Murdered 6 Million Jews, 1 Million were Children. America has murdered 60 Million Babies.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t because I thought it too over the top. It needs more moderation? HHD</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up for Religious Freedom &#8211; March 23, 2012 by Howard H Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/stand-up-for-religious-freedom-march-23-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-112154</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard H Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can take the Dart Rail close too Our Lady of Gadlupe Cathedral in Dallas, but where from there as I will be on foot? I have a great sign &quot; ABORTION CLINICS / AMERICA&#039;s DEATH CAMPS&quot; but am cosiderin &quot; Haughty Pharaoh Obama, Let My Babies Live!&quot; GOD    Any thoughts before I paint my shirts? HHD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can take the Dart Rail close too Our Lady of Gadlupe Cathedral in Dallas, but where from there as I will be on foot? I have a great sign &#8221; ABORTION CLINICS / AMERICA&#8217;s DEATH CAMPS&#8221; but am cosiderin &#8221; Haughty Pharaoh Obama, Let My Babies Live!&#8221; GOD    Any thoughts before I paint my shirts? HHD</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pope to US Bishops: Evangelize American Culture, Defend Marriage by Pope to US Bishops: Evangelize American Culture, Defend &#8230; &#171; CHRISTIAN PARENT HUB- CHRISTIAN PARENT NEWS AGGREGATOR</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/pope-to-us-bishops-evangelize-american-culture-defend-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-112151</link>
		<dc:creator>Pope to US Bishops: Evangelize American Culture, Defend &#8230; &#171; CHRISTIAN PARENT HUB- CHRISTIAN PARENT NEWS AGGREGATOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christian Families News Source- http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/pope-to-us-bishops-evangelize-american-culture-defend-mar... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Christian Families News Source- <a href="http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/pope-to-us-bishops-evangelize-american-culture-defend-mar..">http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/pope-to-us-bishops-evangelize-american-culture-defend-mar..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up for Religious Freedom &#8211; March 23, 2012 by Edgardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will go even though it is a work day, i will give up my lunch time. Many more will do the same and that sends a powerful message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will go even though it is a work day, i will give up my lunch time. Many more will do the same and that sends a powerful message.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up for Religious Freedom &#8211; March 23, 2012 by Robert Mahoney</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/stand-up-for-religious-freedom-march-23-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-112142</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know they will reply &quot;Well, the members won&#039;t be there on the weekend and the media goes silent on the weekend as well.&quot;

Here is a reality check, they won&#039;t be there on Friday either and the media won&#039;t report it anyway. But, just to give you a heads up, there is this new invention called the &quot;internet&quot;. It has a new media and people can shoot their own videos and share them across what we call &quot;social media&quot;. You no longer have to rely on  NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, HLN, MSNBC or FOX to know what is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know they will reply &#8220;Well, the members won&#8217;t be there on the weekend and the media goes silent on the weekend as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is a reality check, they won&#8217;t be there on Friday either and the media won&#8217;t report it anyway. But, just to give you a heads up, there is this new invention called the &#8220;internet&#8221;. It has a new media and people can shoot their own videos and share them across what we call &#8220;social media&#8221;. You no longer have to rely on  NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, NPR, CNN, HLN, MSNBC or FOX to know what is going on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up for Religious Freedom &#8211; March 23, 2012 by Dan Dombal</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/stand-up-for-religious-freedom-march-23-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-112141</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Dombal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point --- a weekend event could allow many more people to participate --- perhaps this should be held every month on the first Saturday until the President begins to realize we the people will not allow our religious freedoms to be taken from us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point &#8212; a weekend event could allow many more people to participate &#8212; perhaps this should be held every month on the first Saturday until the President begins to realize we the people will not allow our religious freedoms to be taken from us!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rev. Ragsdale Goes to Congress: Time to Expose Counterfeit &#8216;Christianity&#8217; by Robert Mahoney</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/rev-ragsdale-goes-to-congress-time-to-expose-counterfeit-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-112140</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t let the IOCC find out about her, or she may be invited to host next years gala if Sarbanes isn&#039;t available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t let the IOCC find out about her, or she may be invited to host next years gala if Sarbanes isn&#8217;t available.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rev. Ragsdale Goes to Congress: Time to Expose Counterfeit &#8216;Christianity&#8217; by C Pleuss</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Pleuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so appalled by this woman, all I can think is that she is so evil she must be possessed! And passiing it along to who knows how many young people--who sends their kid to this Divinity School anyway? The woman obviously needs our prayers--we need the power and intervention of the Holy Spirit for this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so appalled by this woman, all I can think is that she is so evil she must be possessed! And passiing it along to who knows how many young people&#8211;who sends their kid to this Divinity School anyway? The woman obviously needs our prayers&#8211;we need the power and intervention of the Holy Spirit for this one!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Win the Marriage Debate by John Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The marriage license is given on the assumption that you are going to procreate. &quot;

Not if they are siblings, or if it&#039;s a mother and son, or a step mother, or if either of them is under 18, or already married to someone else. So your statement is wrong, we don&#039;t just give a license to any old couple that could potentially procreate. We only give it to couples that we approve of procreating, or I should clarify, we only give it to relationship types that we approve, or actually, that we don&#039;t prohibit, to procreate offspring together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The marriage license is given on the assumption that you are going to procreate. &#8221;</p>
<p>Not if they are siblings, or if it&#8217;s a mother and son, or a step mother, or if either of them is under 18, or already married to someone else. So your statement is wrong, we don&#8217;t just give a license to any old couple that could potentially procreate. We only give it to couples that we approve of procreating, or I should clarify, we only give it to relationship types that we approve, or actually, that we don&#8217;t prohibit, to procreate offspring together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Win the Marriage Debate by John Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sure at one time in society civil marriage might have been about getting and transferring property.&quot;

Come on there were lots of ways to get and transfer property besides marrying someone! What marriage did was say these two people will have sex together and bear children together, and the property stuff flowed from that. The property went to the person you had children with. Or actually, when you married, you became one person with one estate, and the spouse that lived longer didn&#039;t inherit the state, they just continued to own it, as they had since they married each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sure at one time in society civil marriage might have been about getting and transferring property.&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on there were lots of ways to get and transfer property besides marrying someone! What marriage did was say these two people will have sex together and bear children together, and the property stuff flowed from that. The property went to the person you had children with. Or actually, when you married, you became one person with one estate, and the spouse that lived longer didn&#8217;t inherit the state, they just continued to own it, as they had since they married each other.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Win the Marriage Debate by John Noe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Noe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teri Simpkins here does not have it right. Marriage today as a government purpose is about chldren and the justification for the benefits. Sure at one time in society civil marriage might have been about getting and transferring property. Ahh but that was before government recognition and involvement in the institution. Now the government is involved and bestows benefits.
 The change came about over a century ago when it became a public purpose institution. Attaching mothers and fathers to their children became that public institution. It is why the government recognizes it and bestows benefits to it. These benefits are procreation incentives offered by the state when you get married. These benefits are not available to singles because singles cannot procreate on their own. You have to understand that if it was just about who you love, property, and not about children then there would be no justification for state involvement. The procreation benefits could not be justified to the people who are single. If children are not important then how can these benefits be denied to single people but given to homosexuals. So marriage today is about children because that is precisely the reason for the state involvement.
 Has anyone else here noticed besides me the contradiction in the post from Teri Simkins. Claiming support for marriage to recognize any two adults because it is about property and love but not children yet still wanting the state recognition and procreation benefits where the singles community gets the shaft. This is nothing more than the homosexuals version of corporate welfare.
 The final point from Ms. Simpkins deals with marriages that do not produce children and what to do with them. The marriage license is given on the assumption that you are going to procreate. The benefis are procreation incentives and are not requirements. Therefore leave those marriages as they are. Fortunately the process is working so if it is not broke then do not fix it. For every childless marriage there are people like my sister who procreated seven children to make up for those who did not.
 One very last and important point. These procreation benefits were created before the nanny state. This means they are more important now than before. Today we have Social Security and other entitlements for when you get older. It is the offspring of these marriages that pay the entitlement taxes. So the public purpose of marriage bringing about children is even more important today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teri Simpkins here does not have it right. Marriage today as a government purpose is about chldren and the justification for the benefits. Sure at one time in society civil marriage might have been about getting and transferring property. Ahh but that was before government recognition and involvement in the institution. Now the government is involved and bestows benefits.<br />
 The change came about over a century ago when it became a public purpose institution. Attaching mothers and fathers to their children became that public institution. It is why the government recognizes it and bestows benefits to it. These benefits are procreation incentives offered by the state when you get married. These benefits are not available to singles because singles cannot procreate on their own. You have to understand that if it was just about who you love, property, and not about children then there would be no justification for state involvement. The procreation benefits could not be justified to the people who are single. If children are not important then how can these benefits be denied to single people but given to homosexuals. So marriage today is about children because that is precisely the reason for the state involvement.<br />
 Has anyone else here noticed besides me the contradiction in the post from Teri Simkins. Claiming support for marriage to recognize any two adults because it is about property and love but not children yet still wanting the state recognition and procreation benefits where the singles community gets the shaft. This is nothing more than the homosexuals version of corporate welfare.<br />
 The final point from Ms. Simpkins deals with marriages that do not produce children and what to do with them. The marriage license is given on the assumption that you are going to procreate. The benefis are procreation incentives and are not requirements. Therefore leave those marriages as they are. Fortunately the process is working so if it is not broke then do not fix it. For every childless marriage there are people like my sister who procreated seven children to make up for those who did not.<br />
 One very last and important point. These procreation benefits were created before the nanny state. This means they are more important now than before. Today we have Social Security and other entitlements for when you get older. It is the offspring of these marriages that pay the entitlement taxes. So the public purpose of marriage bringing about children is even more important today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Win the Marriage Debate by John Howard</title>
		<link>http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2012/03/how-to-win-the-marriage-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-112099</link>
		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 00:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go back to the beginning of marriage and you&#039;ll find that marriages always were allowed to create offspring together from the couple&#039;s own genes. There has never been a marriage that was prohibited from having sex and possibly procreating together, and we should not say that it is fine and dandy for a marriage to be prohibited from conceiving offspring together using the couple&#039;s own genes. Eugenicists like Sanger and Saleeby wanted to strip procreation rights from marriage and issue separate parenting licenses to conceive a kid, and we are now realizing their dream via Liberal Eugenics of sperm banks and commercial PGD, and talking about how marriage doesn&#039;t mean the right to conceive children. Sorry but we need to draw a line and say that marriage DOES mean the right to conceive biological offspring together using the couple&#039;s own genes, and stop people who want to say it doesn&#039;t.

And same-sex couples should not be allowed to attempt to conceive offspring together using their own genes, however it might be attempted. People should only be created by joining a man and a woman&#039;s unmodified genes. A married man and woman, preferably, but my proposal doesn&#039;t prohibit unmarried conception or donor sperm or anything that is currently done, it only prohibits stuff that hasn&#039;t been done. Because you are right, there would be too many things to regulate if we let people start making babies from modified gametes or synthesized DNA or whatever they wanted to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go back to the beginning of marriage and you&#8217;ll find that marriages always were allowed to create offspring together from the couple&#8217;s own genes. There has never been a marriage that was prohibited from having sex and possibly procreating together, and we should not say that it is fine and dandy for a marriage to be prohibited from conceiving offspring together using the couple&#8217;s own genes. Eugenicists like Sanger and Saleeby wanted to strip procreation rights from marriage and issue separate parenting licenses to conceive a kid, and we are now realizing their dream via Liberal Eugenics of sperm banks and commercial PGD, and talking about how marriage doesn&#8217;t mean the right to conceive children. Sorry but we need to draw a line and say that marriage DOES mean the right to conceive biological offspring together using the couple&#8217;s own genes, and stop people who want to say it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And same-sex couples should not be allowed to attempt to conceive offspring together using their own genes, however it might be attempted. People should only be created by joining a man and a woman&#8217;s unmodified genes. A married man and woman, preferably, but my proposal doesn&#8217;t prohibit unmarried conception or donor sperm or anything that is currently done, it only prohibits stuff that hasn&#8217;t been done. Because you are right, there would be too many things to regulate if we let people start making babies from modified gametes or synthesized DNA or whatever they wanted to.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Win the Marriage Debate by Teri Simpkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri Simpkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, John Howard.  Because everyone knows that gays and lesbians can&#039;t get someone of the opposite sex to donate their gametes in order for them to have a child.  And everyone knows that creating offspring is the only reason two people get together.

Marriage was never focused on having children.  It was always about a way to transfer property.  Go back as far as you can into the history of marriage.  It was a way to join two families together in order for both families to get something they wanted.  It was a way for the man to gain more property.  Children solidified the marriage but they were not the reason for it.   Don&#039;t even let me bring up polygamy, which was the norm all throughout the bible.

Now, let&#039;s move forward into the recent past, where marriage, especially in the U.S., has become about finding your soul mate.  I seriously doubt that any couple thinking about marriage look at each other and say &quot;Boy, what great kids we&#039;re going to make together.&quot;  No, couples start out being attracted to each other, they become friends, and then they realize that friendship has turned into something more.  They think about how great it would be to spend the rest of their lives with this person.  Having children is a small part of the thought process, not the overwhelming driving force. 

When you decide to make procreation the reason for marriage, then you have to decide what to do with those marriages that do not produce children, or those marriages that occur long after child-bearing age is done and over with.  Do we allow those marraiges to continue?

Too many things to regulate when it&#039;s easier to just say Marriage is between two people who are sane and of the age to give legal consent.   Too bad so many want to bring things into it that have no validity there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, John Howard.  Because everyone knows that gays and lesbians can&#8217;t get someone of the opposite sex to donate their gametes in order for them to have a child.  And everyone knows that creating offspring is the only reason two people get together.</p>
<p>Marriage was never focused on having children.  It was always about a way to transfer property.  Go back as far as you can into the history of marriage.  It was a way to join two families together in order for both families to get something they wanted.  It was a way for the man to gain more property.  Children solidified the marriage but they were not the reason for it.   Don&#8217;t even let me bring up polygamy, which was the norm all throughout the bible.</p>
<p>Now, let&#8217;s move forward into the recent past, where marriage, especially in the U.S., has become about finding your soul mate.  I seriously doubt that any couple thinking about marriage look at each other and say &#8220;Boy, what great kids we&#8217;re going to make together.&#8221;  No, couples start out being attracted to each other, they become friends, and then they realize that friendship has turned into something more.  They think about how great it would be to spend the rest of their lives with this person.  Having children is a small part of the thought process, not the overwhelming driving force. </p>
<p>When you decide to make procreation the reason for marriage, then you have to decide what to do with those marriages that do not produce children, or those marriages that occur long after child-bearing age is done and over with.  Do we allow those marraiges to continue?</p>
<p>Too many things to regulate when it&#8217;s easier to just say Marriage is between two people who are sane and of the age to give legal consent.   Too bad so many want to bring things into it that have no validity there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to Win the Marriage Debate by John Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, lots of good points you make here.

I think we need to establish that marriage is about the right to procreate offspring together using the couple&#039;s own genes. And then we need to establish that people only have a right to procreate by combining their natural gametes with someone&#039;s of the opposite sex. Those should be federal laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, lots of good points you make here.</p>
<p>I think we need to establish that marriage is about the right to procreate offspring together using the couple&#8217;s own genes. And then we need to establish that people only have a right to procreate by combining their natural gametes with someone&#8217;s of the opposite sex. Those should be federal laws.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stand Up for Religious Freedom &#8211; March 23, 2012 by Robert Mahoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Mahoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Held at noon on a Friday? Really? They do know that most people work don&#039;t they? 

Don&#039;t hold it on a Saturday when most people can show up.

It&#039;s like people just want to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Held at noon on a Friday? Really? They do know that most people work don&#8217;t they? </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hold it on a Saturday when most people can show up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like people just want to fail.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ObamaCare&lt;/strong&gt;: 
The efficiency of the Postal Service.
The sustainability of Social Security.
And all the compassion of the IRS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>ObamaCare</strong>:<br />
The efficiency of the Postal Service.<br />
The sustainability of Social Security.<br />
And all the compassion of the IRS!</p>
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		<title>Comment on IOCC Should Reconsider Senator Sarbanes as Honorary Chairman by Ronda Wintheiser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronda Wintheiser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,  Ellene.

Well, that was my thought; I put the word in quotes for that very reason.

But as I said, as long as he keeps giving them money, they don&#039;t care.  

Which reminds me.  I got my $100 back yesterday.  :)  It came with MY letter to them -- but with no response from Mr. Triantafilou or his &quot;delegate&quot; (Rada Tierney).  Nothing at all.  

What a mistake.  Mistake upon mistake.  

As much as I have felt proud of them in the past and sent them money every year, they&#039;ve really lost my &quot;heart&quot;, if I can say it that way.  I&#039;ll give to OCMC and FOCUS instead, in fact, OCMC is getting the $100...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,  Ellene.</p>
<p>Well, that was my thought; I put the word in quotes for that very reason.</p>
<p>But as I said, as long as he keeps giving them money, they don&#8217;t care.  </p>
<p>Which reminds me.  I got my $100 back yesterday.  <img src='http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   It came with MY letter to them &#8212; but with no response from Mr. Triantafilou or his &#8220;delegate&#8221; (Rada Tierney).  Nothing at all.  </p>
<p>What a mistake.  Mistake upon mistake.  </p>
<p>As much as I have felt proud of them in the past and sent them money every year, they&#8217;ve really lost my &#8220;heart&#8221;, if I can say it that way.  I&#8217;ll give to OCMC and FOCUS instead, in fact, OCMC is getting the $100&#8230;</p>
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